At the beginning of the downturn in mid-2008, she had some typical, conventional  things to say, you know, the old “if you’re in the market for ten more years then stay put” crap, but she’s coming around.  Now she is telling folks facing imminent retirement that they need self directed accounts and to set up 401K rollover accounts – and not leave them at the mercy of a former employer.

She also answered one caller, whose employer has stopped the match and who makes too much to contribute to a ROTH, telling her NOT to “keep putting in the max to your 401k”.  Wow – she instead said do a non-tax deductible IRA, then roll it into a ROTH each year.  Go Suze!   BTW – so many money types say only put in up to the match, then go ROTH or otherwise – Jim Cramer, now Suze.  Maybe some folks will get the message.

So what do you do? Open a self directed IRA or a 401k rollover account with a top rated discount broker.  Learn to invest money in the markets.  LEARN what works, for YOU. Don’t expect anyone to tell you the right thing to do.  Then place your own investments. Today, you can even open a Roth 401k with a discount broker.

And while I”m at it – I’m passing this article around to all of my friends.  The article, by Jeffrey Goldberg, is titled “Why I Fired My Broker” and it explains why you should too.  Read it and understand why your employer’s 401k managers and financial advisors generally are a waste of your time.

Why I Fired My Broker, by Jeffrey Goldberg

Their job is to make money for their firm.  Not protect you from downturns.  As long as their losses aren’t as great as the losses in the index funds, they consider that a “win”.

There are many ways to invest money that are safer for the long term, but you will have to learn more about investing, learn more about the markets, and not just expect to park your money in a mutual fund somewhere and let it sit.  This is not just a “down” market. This is potentially a stagnant market, with little or limited growth for years, even decades, to come.  It requires a different understanding to be successful, as opposed to just waiting out a temporary downturn in a bull market as has happened in the past.  You will have to learn the best way to invest money for yourself, and not rely solely on tee vee talking heads or even experienced financial planners to help you. Keep your $$ in a CD or high interest checking account so you have cash available when you need it.

Stay tuned here in the next few posts as I list some publications you really want to read.  These will not give you the same old buy and hold bull – they will explain why the “advice” you’ve been getting has been skewed against you from the beginning.  Start with Crash Proof, by Peter Schiff  (the new edition, Crash Proof 2.0, is coming soon!).

Bottom line:  Take advice from NO ONE. Not even us.  And read outside the lines folks.  Don’t take conventional wisdom for truth.

1.  What if this is a depression? What if it’s not a short term bear market?  What happens to my retirement money? Where should I put my money in a depression?  Do you have any idea?  (Remember – It took them a year to call a recession – only 12 months late… but we knew it, common sense told us.)

2.  If 12-15% of Americans are out of a job (both those on unemploymnet and those who have run out of unemployment benefits and have just stopped looking), an unspecified percentage have part-time work that need full time work, and those of us with a job have no idea whether we might lose or keep the one we have, and none of us want to spend our money and we can’t get any credit, and even if we did, we probably won’t get our hand caught in that tiger trap again, tell me where will the profits come from so that big companies will make money, and start a new “bull” market?  Or even an “up” market?

3.  If you can move your money right now into an investment vehicle that will at least earn 2%, 3% or 4%, why shouldn’t I do that while I wait for the market to get better?  (Don’t just tell me not to do it, tell me WHY.  And then tell me why it’s OK to lose another 20% while I wait for the market to turn.  And if you tell me again about what the market has earned “historically”, I will kick your ass.  I am not stupid, I have a calculator…)

4.  If you lose 20% YTD in your investment account, your new lower balance wil have to return 25% to get back to square 1.  (For example:  a loss of 20% off of $5,000 leaves yo with $4,000.   But to make back $1000 on $4,000 is a jump of 25%.)  So when they tell you to wait for the market to “come back” – how far will it have to increase to just get back to where you started?

5.  What if the markets stay depressed for another ten years?  And there is no climb like we’ve seen the past 30 years?  We have already lost enough in the market to erase teh last 12 years of gains.  So, should you believe them when they tell you to take a 20 year time horizon?

6.  If you take your money out of the market, put your money in CDs or inflation adjusted bonds, or government bonds, or other more reliable vehicles, the huge Wall Street behemoth – financial advisors, mutual fund companies, television talk show hosts – they don’t make any money.  Need I say more.

It’s truly hilarious, if it weren’t so sad: She starts out saying “We’ve lost 20% this year, and a decade’s worth of gains.”  So what’s their advice?  Keep putting money into the market!!

If you have stock mutual funds in your investment account and have been listening to her since September and taken her advice to stay in the market and continue to invest, YOUR 401(K) IS DOWN AN ADDITIONAL 25% OR MORE.    I already have a problem with investing in 401(K) products, they are not designed for people who don’t know what they are doing, and can be very dangerous – as so many are unfortunately finding out right now.

If you had done the OPPOSITE of what she said, and got your money out of stock mutual funds, and instead put your money into “conservative” investments – government bonds for example – you would be up anywhere from 1% to 5%.  You would effectively be up 30% because YOU DIDN’T LOSE that 25% and in fact MADE money!

Which position would you rather be in?  Why are you listening to this person?

Remember – she works for CNBC.  This is the channel that continually trumpets the market bottoms; ask “when is the market going to turn”; trying to convince people that it’s a “good time to buy” and the market is “on sale”.   Jon Stewart put it perfectly. You should really really watch that video.  Then shut off the tee vee.

Her show’s “experts” talked about long term investing, putting aside what can wait for long term gains, and saving what you need short term.  They describe how to take into stride the bear and bull markets.  Except for one thing:  This is far different than typical swings in the marketplace. This is not just a “bear” market.  This is a RECESSION, and it could become a DEPRESSION.  None of these so-called “advisors” are telling you how to invest in a depression…  because they don’t know!

If you listen to Wong Ulrich, and follow her advice, you are selling out your investments to the professionals.  When the market goes down, someone has to buy when someone sells.  When professionals sell, can you guess who is still buying at these prices?  And who is continuing to buy on the way down?  That’s right, it’s YOU – you are financing the exodus from the market by the professionals.

If you are trying to figure out what to do with the mutual funds in your 401(K), if you are watching your investment account shrivel up and die, Wong Ulrich is a PERFECT example of what is wrong with the talking heads on television who supposedly are “helping” you figure out whether to get out of mutual funds.

I wish I could contact the poor souls who called in to her show yesterday.  There were two in particular:  J who is only 29 and S who is 44.  I hope to God they did NOT take her advice (and WHY the hell are they calling her in the first place to learn what to do!!????).

J at 29 had moved his money into a conservative account until things get better.  He is taking the 3% he can get there, and waiting for the market to get better.  The “expert” she had on her show, “K.T.”, another advice catastrophe, told J that “You’re too young to be in a guaranteed account” – What the hell does that mean?  That he should lose money because he’s “young”?  That he can’t move his money in a year when the market looks up?  That he needs to lose even more money so he can be there when it starts to move up?

I’ll ask again what I ALWAYS ask – Why should you lose more money, for another year? Two? Three?  Why not SAVE what you have now?  There is this amazing buy-and-hold myth that the investments in your 401(K) shouldn’t be touched. Why?  If that were the case, they would prevent people from ever reallocating.   But you can make changes for a reason – to save your money!

J had it right:  He has reallocated his investment into something that is making money!  I hope he IGNORES HER ADVICE, and the advice of her fellow idiot, K.T.

K.T. should be thrown in jail as a danger to anyone trying to save what tattered investment accounts they still have left.   His firm is touted by Barron’s Magazine.  So. What.  Listen to the “advice” he gives to J:  “OK, so you’re losing money but do you want security today, or security tomorrow?”   What he’s telling this poor guy to accept is NO security today, and LESS security tomorrow!  That’s his professional advice!!  These people should be kicked off tee vee as dangers to the public!  He says: “The last day of the bear market is the first day of the bull market.”  Pithy, but what the hell does it mean?  Good thing he has little pithy things to say as you continue to lose your hard earned money.  Carmen responds:  ” And you want to be there when it turns!”  Well what would stop you from moving your money into the stock market when it truly has turned?   Nothing, actually, other than feeling confident that it’s time to move into stocks – and not still uncertain because you’ve been burned by talking heads who  know nothing about how you should really invest, choosing instead to spout “conventional” – meaning wrong – advice.

How about security today AND security tomorrow? How about protecting your investments, your hard work, your sacrifice?

Funny, Wong never asks her guest, “How much cash is YOUR company holding right now?  What percentage of your accounts are in LONG stocks? and what are your 12-month and YTD returns?”  Hmmm??

This rant is WAY longer than one post.  Stay tuned to hear the dangerous advice she gave S, a 44 year old man who’s lost 40% of his account already…

And I’ll explain what options you have, to help you keep your money safe. Sort of.

Update: Due to pressure from the guest on the show, we’ve changed his initials. The advice still stinks. Read this post about Self-Directed Discount Brokers, and click the link to Why I Fired My Broker from the Washington Post. Remember – just because we are in another bubble, does not mean this advice is sound, solid, and reliable for the long term. We are still off 20-30% from the highs of 2007. Many other experts believe we are in another bubble that is going to burst eventually. Use your judgment. Learn exactly WHY the stock market is up since March (i.e., the banks have been infused with your tax dollars, the S&P is overweight with financials, etc.). Learn, and determine for yourself whether this is sustainable, and where your money is safest – don’t rely on “conventional wisdom” and “buy and hold”, including the posts on this site. Don’t throw away a percentage of your return potential by spending it on “experts”, paying fees and charges that are unnecessary. Do your own trading in a self-directed account, otherwise don’t expect to win in the markets, they are stacked against the small so-called “investor” who doesn’t want to know anything about the market but expects to be rich in 20 years. Too many people have already learned the hard way that this doesn’t work – don’t be one of them.

This is why Jim Cramer has for a long time said to ONLY put into a 401(K) enough to get a match if you have one, otherwise  GO ELSEWHERE. I recommend a self-directed ROTH account, where you can invest in individual bond funds, stocks, commodity ETFs etc.  Whatever you think of Cramer, at least he’s telling people to be cautious and not to just keep blindly throwing money down the short-term drain.

Robert Kiyosaki also makes sense: he dislikes defined benefit plans for the precise reason that (1) people don’t know enough about investing to avoid danger (like, emailing or calling in to the cable news shows for advice about how to invest???)  and (2) you have NO CONTROL over your money and how it works for you!  If the market underperforms for 10 years, and you only have variations of the S&P 500 to invest in through your employer’s 401(K) plan, you can’t avoid a bad market.  How does that help anyone financially?

I am going to post a page with links to the people telling you to invest in the market, because in a year or two from now, I want to review their advice… so stay tuned…